[DMCForum] Re: JZD & Bricklin

["therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx>]

That's funny that you mention that. Last January when I was on
business out in Ohio, two of the guys I was working with were from
Kenya, and knew all about the DeLorean as well. They were both a
couple of the most laid back, easy going people I'd ever met, and
educated as the day is long. But because of their accents, alot of
people tended to ingore or exclude them. Sad...


Anywho, you're right that not alot of people know what the Bricklin
even is. I think that the main thing about why alot of the people who
do know about them, is simply because of the gullwing doors. I'm not
trying to bash the Bricklin or anything, but gullwings have been the
signature of many landmark cars. And the Bricklin just simply happened
to have them.

Not a horrible car per se, but one that you would certainly want to
modify for reliability. If you handed me the keys to a concours
DeLorean, I'd have no worries driving it from coast to coast. A
Bricklin on the other hand... Well... Let's just say that while I
could make the trip, it would not be a comfortable one. Weak A/C
blower motor, seats that DON'T recline, slow cumbersome hydraulic
gullwing doors, and an interior that reminds me of a padded table cloth.

I wouldn't mind owning one some day, but it would have to be seriously
modified for me to really enjoy it.

-Robert



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxx> wrote:
> Ok good, that's what I thought. I'm a big fan of the Bricklin SV-1 
> but from what I know right now about the company and Malcolm. 
> DeLorean would have desapeared from sight if he went with Bricklin. 
> What I mean is that everyone outside of most of the auto community 
> has no idea what a Bricklin is but everyone knows what a DeLorean. 
> Even Africans, there was a student from Africa that saw my model up 
> on the self and new what car it was, the Back to the Future car.
> 
> I'm still trying to learn as much as possible about the Bricklin 
> saga, just FYI I guess.
> 
> Josh
> 
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > I have heard a couple times in the past that JZD was approached by
> > Malcolm Bricklin to work on the SV-1, but he declined. I don't know
> > how much time both spent communicating with one another, but I 
> really
> > doubt GM had anything to do with JZD declining a job at Bricklin 
> Motors.
> > 
> > 1. I doubt that JZD & MB could ever have gotten along. Other than 
> the
> > generic comparison of both building a safety car with gullwing doors
> > that was eventually orphaned, there is no comparison between the 
> two.
> > JZD was a hands down a purebred Detroit engineer and executive, who
> > was raised in the business. MB just wanted to build a car with his
> > name on it, and admittedly didn't even know all that much about
> > automobiles.
> > 
> > 2. JZD & Bill Collins did not like the SV-1 design. Not so much the
> > lines of the car, but generic cosmetic treatments and lack of
> > uniqueness. Down @ the DMCH Open House event, something that both 
> Bill
> > Collins and James Espey touched on was the ideal of making 
> everything
> > that you could interact with on the vehicle either physicly, or
> > visualy, unique to the car. But anything mechanical that was hidden,
> > should be top quality, off the shelf parts that were readily
> > available. With the SV-1 using generic catalogue pieces that were
> > easily identifiable, and not even customer branded, Collins cited 
> the
> > Bricklin car as being a major inspiration to DMC for what NOT to do
> > with a car.
> > 
> > Now, maybe telling Bricklin about his GM pension penalty was a 
> polite
> > way for him to bow-out of talking with him. After all, Allstate
> > Insurance did pay him a compensation check for the money that GM
> > revoked, and was used to help finance the research and building of 
> the
> > first prototype. Part of his severence package & contract for said
> > package was a retirement pension that was revokable @ GM's will, as 
> a
> > penalty if he began to work in the automotive industry again.
> > 
> > That's about the only thing I could think of that even relates to 
> that
> > theory about JZD & Bricklin. But Allstate had him covered, and JZD
> > clearly didn't want to be apart of the project.
> > 
> > -Robert
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Josh Porter" <joshp1986@xxxx> 
> wrote:
> > > I read this today and never heard of it and wanted to ask you 
> guys.
> > > 
> > > Did JZD want to work for Bricklin but couldn't because of his 
> contract 
> > > with GM and when the contract was over Bricklin was gone so he 
> started 
> > > his own company?
> > > 
> > > I think someone is pulling my leg but I want to make sure.
> > > 
> > > Josh

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