Re: [DMCForum] Re: Videos
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Re: [DMCForum] Re: Videos
- From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:14:01 -0500
Yes i will be at the DMCH open house.
Mark V
On May 23, 2005, at 11:47 AM, Videobob Moseley wrote:
> Sorry, I dropped the ball.
> I have been swamped, and so has my sticker guys.
> I was waiting until I had to go in there and make more stuff, and have
> them
> do those
> at the same time.
> Will you be at the DMCH open house?
> I was planning on trying to take some down there.
> - VB
>
>> From: DMCVIN6683 <dmcvin6683@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Videos
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 11:35:19 -0500
>>
>> So how are the JZD tribute stickers coming along or did you decide to
>> not make them?
>>
>> Mark V
>>
>>
>> On May 23, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Videobob Moseley wrote:
>>
>>> Mark, all of what you are saying is absolutely true.
>>> I buy items at wholesale, in some cases I modify them, repackage
>>> them,
>>> write manuals for each product, advertise it and mark the price up.
>>> That is all absolutely true.
>>> There is a cost to doing business, and an average markup.
>>> What I don't understand is why it is when I do it, it is "highway
>>> robbery"
>>> but for everyone else it is just business?
>>> I don't run a charity here, and there is no charity in indulging
>>> people
>>> with DeLorean collectables.
>>> These are toys, and should be paid for.
>>> I am running a business Marc.
>>>
>>> This is the standard retail business MO.
>>> That's how it works, wholesale, retail.
>>> The reason I make $8 off a $2 cost of a DVD is because I spent
>>> several
>>> thousand
>>> dollars on a DVD duplication system, with a thermal printer, a color
>>> disc
>>> printer,
>>> a $15,000 computer that runs all this stuff, and I also had to
>>> acquire
>>> the
>>> video,
>>> edit it, clean it up, compile it and store it.
>>> Then I have to pay to advertise it, pay for my website, pay for
>>> monthly
>>> bandwidth,
>>> pay for ebay and Paypal fees..... so you see it is not all found
>>> money.
>>> I run a television production studio here.
>>> Besides that, I have to take the time out of my day to drive to the
>>> disc
>>> supplier
>>> and invest into stock, I have to take the time to burn and print the
>>> discs,
>>> put them
>>> in envelopes, fill out the labels and take them to the post office.
>>> It might not be ditch digging work but it is time consuming.
>>>
>>> I consider it a service, the people who get to enjoy watching this
>>> wonderful
>>> video
>>> are thankful that they got to see it. Otherwise it would not exist
>>> and
>>> they
>>> would
>>> have gone without.
>>>
>>> You know, you always mention my LED's and how I mark them up.
>>> How come no one has ever mentioned that Don Stegar sells a similar
>>> set
>>> for
>>> $39.99?
>>> This is $10.00 more than mine.
>>> I am willing to bet that almost everything he sells is marked up
>>> generously.
>>> This is not a jab at Don, I like Don, but I am proving the point that
>>> your
>>> prejudice
>>> is biased because I have never heard you complaining about anyone's
>>> else's
>>> prices.
>>>
>>> By the way, Tamir does sell a copy of his own video from his site.
>>> It is very good and I recommend it.
>>> He also sells the replacement stainless steel labels, or at least he
>>> advertises them.
>>> I also bought a set of those.
>>>
>>> I feel that the ability to buy this stuff from each other is a great
>>> privilege.
>>> I also think that I deserve the chump change I get for profits off of
>>> my
>>> stuff.
>>> If not had been for my researching the LED's and bringing them to
>>> public
>>> awareness
>>> some of you would not have figured out how to circumvent me.
>>> Either way I feel I get the credit for it - because NO ONE else was
>>> offering
>>> these.
>>> I feel the same way about my side stripes, no one else took the time
>>> to find
>>> the material
>>> and make exact replicas of the stripes - people COPIED me but I still
>>> deserve the credit.
>>> I have never seen anyone else make vinyl bumper letters before.
>>> The ones I make look fantastic, and only $10.00.
>>> You could not get those designed and cut out for $10.00 anywhere - no
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Plus, as a gesture I don't charge for shipping of my products.
>>> Most sellers gouge the shit out of you with "shipping and handling" -
>>> NOT
>>> ME.
>>>
>>> So as business goes, I think I do good business Marc.
>>> I think my prices are fair, and my quality is good.
>>> I don't see what it is I am doing wrong and why you don't like it.
>>> There is no other explanation other than you had disagreed with me in
>>> the
>>> past
>>> and had become biased against everything I do.
>>> It is childish and silly - cut it out.
>>>
>>> - Videobob
>>>
>>>> From: Marc Levy <malevy_nj@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Reply-To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> To: DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMCForum] Re: Videos
>>>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 05:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
>>>>
>>>> VB does it for profit. I don't see how Tamir is
>>>> making money off of his site. He does not even sell
>>>> advertising space!
>>>>
>>>> So, in comparing Tamir to Bob we can say BOTH made a
>>>> significant effort in collecting this footage,
>>>> digitizing it, and editing it... Where they diverge
>>>> is how they choose to distribute the material.
>>>>
>>>> Tamir spends his own money (I assume) to host this
>>>> material on the Internet. Large downloads = high
>>>> bandwidth = more expensive hosting fees. Yet, he does
>>>> not charge anyone anything.
>>>>
>>>> Bob buys some blank DVD-R's, copies the video, and
>>>> puts it in the mail. A process that costs about $2.
>>>> He is making a $8 per disk profit. (I am only talking
>>>> about his disk that contain footage that he does not
>>>> own)
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know about the time to blah blah blah.. But for
>>>> means of comparing Bob to Tamir, those things are
>>>> pretty much equal.
>>>>
>>>> When you look at the DVD sales, along with VB's other
>>>> items (over priced items like Antennas, LED's, Radio
>>>> Harness), it sets a tone for the way the guy does
>>>> business. IMHO, the profit he demands for doing
>>>> minimal research in to sourcing parts is highway
>>>> robbery. It is not like the guy has a R&D facility
>>>> where he is inventing a new and better LED.
>>>>
>>>> And, NO.. My motivation has nothing to do with
>>>> religion or Bob's views on social issues, because many
>>>> times I agree with him even though I find his
>>>> presentation of those opinions are somewhat insulting.
>>>>
>>>> ... Again, I am not finding fault with Bob the man..
>>>> Just some of the things he does.
>>>>
>>>> --- therealdmcvegas <dmcvegas@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>> With this said however, I seriously think that all
>>>>> things considered
>>>>> here, I think that VideoBob has been unfairly gotten
>>>>> a bad rap here.
>>>>> I honestly do not see the difference between what
>>>>> Tamir has done with
>>>>> his website, and what VideoBob did for his. Both
>>>>> offered up DeLorean
>>>>> material that they believed the community was
>>>>> interested in. Tamir
>>>>> offers short clips for download and distribution off
>>>>> of his website,
>>>>> and VB offers longer full length videos, available
>>>>> on DVD. And of
>>>>> course he charges for his time to make said copies
>>>>> for others. He's
>>>>> had to scan, and encode the video, as well as take
>>>>> the time to
>>>>> contruct the DVD menus, etc., Just as Tamir took the
>>>>> time to scan,
>>>>> encode, crop, and upload. And neihter are taking the
>>>>> time to lay
>>>>> claim to any ownership.
>>>> <SNIP>
>>>>
>>>>
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