[DMCForum] Re: Religion on the Forum

["cruznmd" <racuti1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I've been away restoring my new (to me) boat for the last several 
weeks.

I'm glad to see that I haven't missed any important DeLorean or 
automotive discussions and that it's business as usual here.

Rich A.
#5335



--- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "therealdmcvegas" <dmcvegas@xxxx> 
wrote:
> 
> --- In DMCForum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Dan RC30" <danrc30@xxxx> wrote:
> > Religion is for the weak minded. I dislike ALL religions. It has 
brought
> > nothing but corruption, misery, and death (not necessarily in that
> order).
> > 
> > ---Evil Dan
> > Seeing the truth clearly and not afraid of it...
> 
> The great struggle within all of us. The difference between humans,
> and common animals is the fact that we can override our instincts 
with
> logic. The problem however, is that instict is infalable, because 
it's
> naturally written. Logic however is written on an individual basis,
> and hence corruptable by a person's shortcomings. Now, keep this in 
mind.
> 
> You say that religion is for the weak minded. Well, that is a pretty
> open-ended statement. Albeit one that I can both agree, and disagree
> wtih. Religion is quite nessisary in many instances. In short, your
> large number of people out there are idiots, ruled by their own
> emotions. It's easier to beat a child, than it is to raise it. It's
> easier to violently lash out at your problems, be it a thing or a
> person, than it is to think things out and work them thru. It's more
> rewarding to rob and steal, so that you can ingest drugs that bring
> you pleasure, than say work a regular job and spend an entire life
> worrying about your retirement. I agree, hell, I sympathise. But 
that
> doesn't change the fact that it's wrong.
> 
> Now if a person cannont raltionalize these things for themselves, 
then
> we must help them by explaning these things, and sometimes by
> disciplining them. Ie our laws and legal codes. However, there are
> times that this still doesn't work. And so, we have to "put the fear
> of God into people.", literally. Supersition can work wonders, where
> common sense has failed.
> 
> Now, does this mean that if someone is religious, or even spiritual,
> that they are a weak minded individual? Certainly not. Like I first
> said, what set us apart from animals, is the ability to replace 
logic
> with reason. And many of us know to do what's right. In fact, we 
tend
> to be compelled to do so. Now, if a person who does good by their
> fellow man or woman wants to give the credit for their inspriation 
to
> another (be it human or deity), that's fine. It's their business for
> whom, or what they wish to give credit for their actions to. But all
> along, they were a good person to begin with.
> 
> Plus spiritually-based fellowships do have many benefits of a social
> nature, for all those who attend.
> 
> Religion is very nessisarry in our society. After all, we do need to
> instill some sort of ethics into people who other wise wouldn't have
> them, unfortunetly. It is in a sense, a form of "crowd control" when
> it comes to keeping civil peace.
> 
> The problem here is not with religion itself, but rather with those
> whom wish to further their own contemptible agendas by abusing it. 
Be
> it to exorcise their personal delusions, or to cast into effect 
their
> own predjudices and feed their own appetites. Greed, power, fear,
> hatred, and obsession are all the driving factors of the corrupt 
sides
> of religion. Religion has both benefits of providing these things 
that
> people desire to acheive thru ill means, as well as package
> justification without guilt for the individual. This works out well
> for the feral people who care not about their adulterous liasons,
> their abuse of illicit substances, or the domestic violence that 
they
> wreak upon their families. After all, who cares about concequences,
> when you can easily obtain absolution for ones own sins thru some
> trivial pennance? Or in some cases, just by swearing to someone that
> you accept a saviour? These are still not good people at heart, 
since
> they care not about their actions.
> 
> And if you wish to weild an army of followers to exploit for your 
own
> ends, all the better. A mob mentality is perfect when you want to
> create and enlist followers. A person is less likley to speak out,
> when everyone is against them. And this is when religions are used 
to
> start wars, to create havoc, and justify killing in the name of
> someone, something, or some spiritual cause. I think that 
Scientology
> is the best example of this. L. Ron Hubbard was a uninpressive
> science-fiction writer, and a failed author of a line of "Self-Help"
> books. Hubbard's driving force was to become rich off of his 
writings,
> which of course never happened. Over the years, Hubbard often told 
his
> peers that the way to really make money, was to start a religion or 
a
> cult. And thus his failed "Dianetics" books became the starting 
point
> for Scientology, with drug-fueled "scriptures" and books that 
followed
> suit (read 'OT III' to see what I mean) . And a cheap "Lie Detector"
> that was advertised in many comic books, became a "tool" used in the
> cornerstone of his cult: Auditing. And over the years, this religion
> has been used to financially exploit people for both tangible 
assests,
> and labor.
> 
> The biggest problems that I myself have with religion is not
> nessisarily the religion itself. But rahter the followers that it
> attracts. Latter Day Saints are the modern equivalent of Brahman
> caste. One has to prove their faith in order to move up from 
attending
> a Ward, to being accepted enough to gain admittance to a Temple. And
> even then, there is a social structure within the Wards of people 
who
> look down upon others because of the way they dress, their 
mannerisms,
> financial status, etc. Pride at the case of inequality is also a 
very
> nasty side effect of religion. Especially with people here in Vegas,
> who some think that they have greater faith, then people who live
> elsewhere with "less temptation". That's like being proud of things
> you should or shouldn't be doing anyways. "Hey, I take care of my
> kids!" Well, you're supposed to! There isn't anything special about 
that.
> 
> Now sure, these are my viewpoints, and all are welcome to agree, or
> disagree. However, I will ask one thing: No matter what you disagree
> with, or even despise in life, don't simply pass judgement on it, 
and
> cast it aside. And if it's something that you think is really bad,
> then ask yourself what you are doing about it? How will you change 
things?
> 
> -Robert

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